Updated: Jan 21
Greetings and welcome,
Our topic for this moment is “Consensus Amongst the Prophets”.
The Body of Christ is not in agreement, so it goes to show that the Prophets would not be in agreement.
We are in living in a time where the good people don’t want to say anything. The ones who are saying something are being silenced by the “celebrity” voices in the Body of Christ.
To be a prophet you cannot be afraid to stand alone, prophesy a word that is not like everyone else, or not hear anything at all.
Isaiah 30: 8 – 11 (NKJV)A Rebellious People
8 Now go, write it before them on a tablet, And note it on a scroll, That it may be for time to come, Forever and ever: 9 That this is a rebellious people, Lying children, Children who will not hear the law of the Lord; 10 Who say to the seers, “Do not see,” And to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things; Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits. 11 Get out of the way, Turn aside from the path, Cause the Holy One of Israel To cease from before us.”
The Church today is wrapped up in controversy over being a “False Prophet” and this has gained a greater speed since many prophets prophesied that President Trump would go into office for a second, back-to-back term.
This controversy over “False Prophecy” is being led by those in the Church who really don’t know what a Prophet is? Or what a Prophet does?
The controversy is also being led by those in the Church who never liked President Trump.
You may or not be aware of this, but we have two houses that are fighting against each other in our political system today.
2 Samuel 3:1 (NKJV)
3 Now there was a long war between the house of Saul and the house of David. But David grew stronger and stronger, and the house of Saul grew weaker and weaker.
We are in the middle of a war that we should not be fighting.
The house of Saul is working behind the scenes to hinder the agenda of the house of David.
This leads me to believe that there is a bigger agenda going on here.
Something much more powerful than just what mere human minds can work.
It is an agenda that is tied together, with the antichrist system that has already begun taking over this world and this nation.
Say what you will but the powers that are not wholly and fully in love with Jesus Christ are swiftly working behind the scenes to undermine and completely sink this nation into the abyss… [i]
This war is affecting those in the prophetic movement because the House of Saul is constantly attacking the House of David.
Say what you will about President Trump, the House of Saul is completely wrong and in error, but they are trying to make those in the House of David believe that they are wrong. They are not.
I want to remind you of something that was found in the Bible Codes about President Trump.
This was made public in 2016.
“In two separate sets of Bible Codes, published three months apart, international Bible Codes expert Rabbi Matityahu Glazerson found evidence that Donald J. Trump will win the upcoming US presidential election. What’s more, Trump’s predicted win appears to be connected to his support for Israel.
The first table was published on July 6, 2016. In this table, which comes from the Book of Deuteronomy, Rabbi Glazerson pointed to the word Donald, spelled in Hebrew letters, next to the word nasi, which is Hebrew for president. He also found an abbreviation for Artzot haBrit, which is the way the United States is referred to in Hebrew.
The date is also found in this table. Specifically, Rabbi Glazerson pointed out the codes for 8 Cheshvan 5777. This is the date on the Hebrew calendar that corresponds to November 9, 2016 – the first date Trump would be President-elect of the United States, if he wins the election.
The second video, released in late October, repeats many of the same codes that were found in the July video. However, these codes were found in the Book of Numbers. The first set of codes were found in the Book of Deuteronomy.
Rabbi Glazerson opens the video with what he calls “the best meeting” of Donald Trump, spelled in Hebrew, and bocher, which means chosen or elected. In this table as well, he found codes for nasi (president), Artzot haBrit (United States) and 7 Cheshvan 5777, which corresponds to Tuesday, November 8, 2016, which is Election Day in the US. All these codes appear very close to one another in the table.
In another part of the table, he found ohev Yisrael which means one who loves Israel. There are also codes for teshuva (repentance), Moshiach and Hashem Elokecha (The Lord your God), which Rabbi Glazerson said is “a message for Jews.”
So, my interpretation… the leaders in the Church, from the House of Saul, who are coming against President Trump are coming against God because God planted President Trump.
I don’t have a Bible verse to give you to support that but those specific things in the Bible Code alone lead me to believe that President Trump is called, appointed, and anointed by God to be in this time period.
I have not heard of any follow-ups to the Bible Code but I am sure once President Trump is restored they will find the code that says He is still the President.
What the House of Saul is doing to the prophets in this given season is not of God.
They, you are out of God’s will by coming against His chosen vessel – President Trump, you are out of God’s will by coming against His anointed prophets who prophesied that President Trump would win a second-consecutive term.
How can you leaders from the House of Saul be trusted to tell us what is really going on?
But this is what is going on at this given season.
You have people like Dr. Michael Brown making statements like this, “To all those who prophesied that Trump would serve a second consecutive term and assured us that he would be inaugurated on Jan. 20, I appeal to you in the strongest possible terms: Admit your error, take full responsibility and do not, under any circumstances, continue to put a false hope into the hearts of God's people. What you prophesied did not come to pass.”[ii]
You have people like Cindy Jacobs making these statements, “President Trump is a new Christian and I didn’t see him praying a lot during his time in office,” said Jacobs in a press release. “Melania probably spent more time on her knees than Trump. Could that have angered God and caused him to turn his back on Trump? If he had prayed every day to have won a second term, God would have made it happen. With God, all things are possible.” [iii]
“Jacobs struck a more repentant tone, tweeting in January: “Was my heart centred on Jesus or politics?…Confession! My heart was centred on politics. So sorry, Lord!””[iv]
You have people like Jennifer LeClaire making this statement, “We cannot discredit the entire movement over a relative few prophets who prophesied a 2020 Trump victory that didn’t happen, or a few brash and brazen voices who continue to insist Trump will serve as president for a second consecutive term, or even serious issues and problems present before the election. But it’s clear accountability is lacking, not just in terms of inaccurate prophetic words but the character of some prophetic voices that sowed seeds of discord and used intimidation tactics to condemn those who would not agree with their utterances…”
“…I believe some prophets who prophesied a Trump win never heard God at all. They merely tapped into the popular prophetic opinion because it was what so many in the church wanted to hear.” As for the church, many in the body were just as biased and did not judge the words of the prophets. They took the prophetic word as gospel, without consideration of bias, perhaps, because of their own political preference.”[v]
Is it any wonder that the Body of Christ is in confusion?
The House of Saul is running rampant destroying the works that the House of David is doing.
The controversy is rooted in the reality that President Trump was not officially awarded the election by the Electoral College on January 6, 2022.
The main complainers are saying if we are so prophetic why was there no prophecies about the Covid-19, If we are so prophetic why did the prophets not see that the election was going to be rigged and that President Trump would have to fight out his battle in court.
The House of Saul with a history for not liking President Trump took this as an opportunity to trample on the truth.
They were not open to the possibility that the election was rigged because they really did not ever like President Trump. They were just going along with the crowd waiting for their day to voice their opinion.
They voiced it and they showed themselves for who they really were.
“In the run-up to November last year, Strang quoted Pierce liberally in books such as God, Trump, and the 2020 Election: Why He Must Win and What’s at Stake for Christians If He Loses (Charisma House). He cited Pierce’s prophetic track record and, like many others, took up the ‘Cyrus defence’, writing: “God answered our prayers in a way we didn’t expect with a person we didn’t necessarily like. But once Trump began to implement his policies, we were sure we had made the right choice.”[vi]
They didn’t care. When you really look at some of these voices, they don’t really agree with modern day prophets and this fit with another buried agenda to discredit prophets and prophecy in general.
The thought process is simple. We don’t like that people are prophesying and being prophetic but we don’t want to lose their tithing, so we are going to adopt policies in the Church to control the prophetic.
“Their list of "prophetic standards" began with the recognition that "prophecy" as a spiritual gift is beneficial to the edification of the Body of Christ and should be embraced. However, the situation under which the gift must be used must be solely for the encouragement, edification, and admonition of Christians. It should not be attempted to be implemented in politics.”[vii]
There is nothing wrong with them creating standards but the standards should not hinder the flow of the moving of the Spirit and the standards should demonstrate an understanding of Biblical principles.
1 Samuel 10: 1 – 6 (NKJV) Samuel Anoints Saul
10 Then Samuel took a flask of oil and poured it on his head, and kissed him and said: “Is it not because the Lord has anointed you commander over His inheritance? 2 When you have departed from me today, you will find two men by Rachel’s tomb in the territory of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say to you, ‘The donkeys which you went to look for have been found. And now your father has ceased caring about the donkeys and is worrying about you, saying, “What shall I do about my son?” ’ 3 Then you shall go on forward from there and come to the terebinth tree of Tabor. There three men going up to God at Bethel will meet you, one carrying three young goats, another carrying three loaves of bread, and another carrying a skin of wine. 4 And they will greet you and give you two loaves of bread, which you shall receive from their hands. 5 After that you shall come to the hill of God where the Philistine garrison is. And it will happen, when you have come there to the city, that you will meet a group of prophets coming down from the high place with a stringed instrument, a tambourine, a flute, and a harp before them; and they will be prophesying. 6 Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man.
2 Peter 1: 16 – 21 (NKJV) The Trustworthy Prophetic Word
16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Jeremiah 1: 4 – 10 (NKJV) The Prophet Is Called
4 Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying:
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I [b]ordained you a prophet to the nations.”
6 Then said I:
“Ah, Lord God!
Behold, I cannot speak, for I am a youth.”
7 But the Lord said to me:
“Do not say, ‘I am a youth,’
For you shall go to all to whom I send you,
And whatever I command you, you shall speak.
8 Do not be afraid of their faces,
For I am with you to deliver you,” says the Lord.
9 Then the Lord put forth His hand and touched my mouth, and the Lord said to me:
“Behold, I have put My words in your mouth.
10 See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms,
To root out and to pull down,
To destroy and to throw down,
To build and to plant.”
1 Kings 22: 4 - (NKJV) Micaiah Warns Ahab
4 So he said to Jehoshaphat, “Will you go with me to fight at Ramoth Gilead?”
Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “I am as you are, my people as your people, my horses as your horses.” 5 Also Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “Please inquire for the word of the Lord today.”
6 Then the king of Israel gathered [a]the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said to them, “Shall I go against Ramoth Gilead to fight, or shall I refrain?”
So they said, “Go up, for the Lord will deliver it into the hand of the king.”
7 And Jehoshaphat said, “Is there not still a prophet of the Lord here, that we may inquire of Him?”
8 So the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is still one man, Micaiah the son of Imlah, by whom we may inquire of the Lord; but I hate him, because he does not prophesy good concerning me, but evil.”
And Jehoshaphat said, “Let not the king say such things!”
9 Then the king of Israel called an officer and said, “Bring Micaiah the son of Imlah quickly!”
10 The king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, having put on their robes, sat each on his throne, at a threshing floor at the entrance of the gate of Samaria; and all the prophets prophesied before them. 11 Now Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah had made horns of iron for himself; and he said, “Thus says the Lord: ‘With these you shall gore the Syrians until they are destroyed.’ ” 12 And all the prophets prophesied so, saying, “Go up to Ramoth Gilead and prosper, for the Lord will deliver it into the king’s hand.”
13 Then the messenger who had gone to call Micaiah spoke to him, saying, “Now listen, the words of the prophets with one accord encourage the king. Please, let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak encouragement.”
14 And Micaiah said, “As the Lord lives, whatever the Lord says to me, that I will speak.”
15 Then he came to the king; and the king said to him, “Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall we refrain?”
And he answered him, “Go and prosper, for the Lord will deliver it into the hand of the king!”
16 So the king said to him, “How many times shall I make you swear that you tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”
17 Then he said, “I saw all Israel scattered on the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd. And the Lord said, ‘These have no master. Let each return to his house in peace.’ ”
18 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Did I not tell you he would not prophesy good concerning me, but evil?”
19 Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”
24 Now Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near and struck Micaiah on the cheek, and said, “Which way did the spirit from the Lord go from me to speak to you?”
25 And Micaiah said, “Indeed, you shall see on that day when you go into an inner chamber to hide!”
So we see manifested her a war between the Prophets in the Bible.
[i] Taken from Chapter 8 of What Now by Me [ii] https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/84139-a-strong-appeal-to-those-who-prophesied-trump-s-reelection [iii] https://thebiznews.org/2021/02/22/prophet-trump-pray/ [iv] https://www.premierchristianity.com/when-prophets-fail/4275.article [v] https://awakeningmag.com/jennifer-leclaire-repents-on-behalf-of-modern-day-prophetic-movement/ [vi] https://www.premierchristianity.com/when-prophets-fail/4275.article [vii] https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/11726/20210504/christian-leaders-issue-prophetic-standards-statement-following-controversial-prophecies-about-recent-elections.htm